“‘I would absolutely not fly a Max airplane,’ said Ed Pierson, a former Boeing senior manager. ‘I’ve worked in the factory where they were built, and I saw the pressure employees were under to rush the planes out the door. I tried to get them to shut down before the first crash.’
‘I would tell my family to avoid the Max. I would tell everyone, really,’ said Joe Jacobsen, a former engineer at Boeing and the Federal Aviation Administration.”
@aral just capitalism killing people again...
@Vonskinnback Indeed. Innovation is finding new ways to kill you while making Whitey McWhite richer.
@aral unfortunately this whole "move fast & break things" strategy is just an excuse to force out unfinished products for the public to beta test, it 8s sloppy capitalism trying to churn products & reduce the R&D costs, which is killing people. The one takeaway from COVID that I kind of always knew but never really wanted to believe is that life is cheap, nobody cares if you die, especially if you are in the way of them shopping & spending money on shit they don't need.
@Vonskinnback
Certain Chernobyl disaster would like to have a talk with you about how those are intrinsic properties of capitalism.
In proper capitalism — which is purely theoretical of course, there would be a competing safer product, which everyone would prefer — so the company producing unsafe products would eventually go out of business. Of course in reality it's quite different — but it was always like that. People are greedy, not capitalism or anything else.
@Vonskinnback
In a nutshell I see capitalism as an attempt to channel people's greed and put it to good use, this seems more reasonable than attempts to suppress it by some external (to the individual) body. But of course it doesn't always work as expected. Besides, the individuals comprising the regulating body can get greedy too.
> We need to start taking mental health seriously, at all levels of society.
This I completely agree with, this is where a lot if not most problems stem from.
@aral
@m0xee
We're just seeing capitalists disable markets like there's no tomorrow, so I would never rely on the problem solving itself.
Also that theory only works with well-informed customers. Fortunately, aircraft manufcturers are heavily regulated, which is why we know about the issues at all.
"People" are not generally and always greedy. That is Capitalism's most successful lie.
Different social/political/economical systems encourage greed, and we can choose otherwise.
@Mr_Teatime @m0xee @aral capitalism & greed isn't the problem in the same way alcohol & cars aren't a problem, until you mix them, then people die & lives are ruined, we have laws for one but not the other & I can categorically state that greedy capitalists have killed way more people than drink driving...
@m0xee @aral capitalism is the mechanism that is used to exploit us, I wouldn't get rid of it, but I would definitely apply more oversight & government intervention to clip it's wings & hold the mentality ill people at the top from killing the rest of us. We section dangerous people, but the most dangerous people in history are always at the top & always suffering from a mental illness. We need to start taking mental health seriously, at all levels of society.