@Krause
Oh, yes, very ignorant!
> you guys
Who us guys? I'm Russian, born in the USSR and I'm not buying that "evil West sponsoring fascism" rhetoric ever! US has lots of wrongdoings, but Lybia? Iraq? None of the countries in your original post were even remotely prosperous. None.
To kill a nation? What nation — ask them in Montenegro or Croatia, do they want that "nation" back? Criticize US and capitalism all you want — there are plenty of reasons. But this Iraq-Yugoslavia stuff? Oh, come on!

@m0xee

>None of the countries in your original post were even remotely prosperous

What is the implication here? That countries that aren't prosperous due to being exploited by the West fair targets to be invaded and carpet bombed by NATO?

>To kill a nation? What nation

Yugoslavia 😎 👍

@Krause
Why not Iran? Why is that never in that list? This TPAJAX stuff is a perfect example of the tactic you are talking about. And it's out there, in the open! No conspiracies.
Because it's also a perfect example how such intervention spins out of control, destabilizes the whole region and precisely why this tactic should never be used again.

@m0xee

>Why not Iran? Why is that never in that list?

I decided to mention just those 3 and then add "AND OTHERS" because otherwise I'd hit into the Mastodon character count trying to list every single invasion and coup promoted by US and NATO 😆

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/09/13/us-251-military-interventions-1991/

@Krause But it should never be under others, it's a prime example! 😉
I mean, sure US maintains political presence all around the globe, US does launch military interventions — but US coming to a country with no internal struggles, stable political system… and burning it down? No, I'm not buying it.
Tipping the scales? Maybe, not THAT.
That is also why Iran is a good example — it was way more secular, more civil than the hellhole it is now. US can't benefit from the whole region being in turmoil.

@Krause Being Russian I see it too well — how this anti-western, anti-NATO rhetoric gets dragged out of the closet when someone tries to stay in power a little longer than he's supposed to. Why? Because it still works. That is also how wars get started — it's not CIA involvement (at least not every time).
When Russia crumbles, which it probably will, I'm not pinning it on US or NATO — this snowball of problems didn't start somewhere abroad.

@Krause And I seriously doubt that any of the US or European politicians even wants that. They want Russia to carry on — it's a lot more manageable that way, they just want the war to stop and they'll probably do their best to keep Russia together afterwards.
Starting this endeavor with so many internal problems? I find it hard to believe. Distracting people from internal problems with a war abroad?

@Krause Look at them, US citizens keep fighting about their internal problems, most of the time not the most pressing ones — no need to distract them, this war isn't even in their top 3 😂