"If you care about safety you can't dismiss dangerous behaviour by cyclists"
Sure thing. I'll just spend 40,000 minutes working against the danger of cars for every minute I spend addressing the danger of bikes. Why? That's about the difference in rates of killing people.
@mbonsma The problem is that they want any cyclist involvement in any casualty whatsoever to be attributed to cyclists.
They would promote the idea that the roads would be totally safe if it weren't for those pesky cyclists, that cyclists are the proximate cause of every traffic casualty irrespective of whether they are involved.
@ostrich I think this is right: they hit a cyclist with their car and think "well their behaviour was clearly a problem" and not "if I hadn't been driving this death machine this wouldn't have happened"
@cohomologyisFUN Car-centric culture has nothing to do with it, I come from non car-centric culture and I'm a pedestrian myself most of the time and yet I hate cyclists with passion.
The infrastructure might differ from country to country and even from city to city, but cars and pedestrians on average are a lot better separated, cyclists move where they see fit and, not everyone is like that of course, but there are A LOT of total assholes among them.
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Lower death toll, significantly lower than pedestrian one in car accidents might seem like a valid point, but it's not. That doesn't make me feel much safer around them — it's about perceived, not statistical safety. Also it's usually not a big problem to hold the driver responsible, with cyclists it's in most cases: "Good luck with that".
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@cohomologyisFUN I'm saying cyclists, but people using roller skates and electric scooters are also part of the problem, I see no problem with them in rural areas, but in big cities without properly organized dedicated infrastructure for such activities they are an absolute menace. It's truly sad that it's another reason to have the state involved, but there should be a mandatory set of rules for them — not as strict as for car drivers, but at least some rules.
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