@iska It's been over for a while now, depending on what hardware you're buying and what you're looking for. But these Ryzen 6xxx machines with Pluton seem to be the first mass market x86 machines which ship without the ability to run anything except Windows by design.
@dushman @iska I wouldn't doubt it. But I was talking about OEMs and their decisions, not AMD necessarily. (not that I have the kindest opinion of AMD these days for... other reasons)
@allison @iska @coyote
And pluton seems like a hard glowing backdoor more than anything
@dushman @iska @coyote Still kinda fucks me up that Apple currently has the freest mass market hardware from a surveillance/hardware backdoor perspective.
@allison @iska @coyote @dushman >M1 (at least) Macs all don't come with coprocessors and the M1 Secure Enclave isn't any more exploitable than a regular TPM
>Absolutely no upgradability or repairability, if an engineer's oopsie sends 16V to your NAND chips, your computer is dead
>And they've done that before so they'll do it again

@idiot @allison @iska@mstdn.starnix.network @coyote @dushman Do Apple's customers really need upgradability and repairability in 2022? In 99% the laptop will die in 5 years anyway and get replaced with the new one, so why bother?
There is System 76, Purism, Pine64 and the Spanish whats-its-name laptop maker… Hell, even HP sells models like Dev One
There are literally dozens of options, but people still want to buy hardware from companies with bad reputation, expect it to be open and whine about it? I don't get it!

@m0xee @idiot @allison @iska @coyote
I'm pretty sure no one in this thread is a mac user. As for regular people, they don't know any better obviously.
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@dushman I am a former Mac user myself. I gave up on Apple because the software quality went downhill in the first place, to the point where I could not use it anymore without the urge to smash the computer every ten minutes 🤬 The hardware followed soon afterwards.
It was a great deal of disappointment like 10-15 years ago. And there were not a lot of good options at the time. Now there are and I don't see it as a problem anymore 🤷

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