Old Fucking Punk @lwriemen@librem.one

"No one should have to work" is a fine sentiment that I have often agreed with, but I'm not sure I really stand by it anymore. I think it only makes sense for a certain definition of "work" and "have to"—the one where to survive you have to find a paying job, and things like "being a parent" don't count.

How about this, instead? "Everyone has a moral obligation to perform what labor they can for their community."

Maybe that labor is physical, emotional, spiritual, artistic, cerebral... but whatever it is, there's an awful lot of work to be done in this world.

Any recommended reading on why putting productivity growth into spare time instead of consumption is a good idea?

Also, if we would do this (which seems like a very good idea!) how could we better enable people to use their spare time in better ways? Free outdoors gyms, more libraries, etc.

@gaeel @varx

For me, part of the mindset of "no one should have to work" is the assumption that if no one was forced to work, it would turn out that most people actually would do various kinds of labor anyway. How does this interact with what the two of you are saying?

@varx There's the Marxist slogan "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs", which I think is very important (regardless of one's view of Marx and his ideas).
I feel it works even better in an anarchist context, because of how anarchism is against unjust and forced hierarchies.

For a society to work, everyone needs to have their needs met, but also everyone need to contribute what they can. The main point is that this duty needn't be enforced by threat of homelessness and hunger.

For my part I don't believe "no one should have to work", but I certainly believe "no one should be forced to work for the benefit of privileged"

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Mongabay put together an interesting database of reforestation projects that meet diverse goals (https://news.mongabay.com/2021/05/how-to-pick-a-tree-planting-project-mongabay-launches-transparency-tool-to-help-potential-supporters-decide/), but unfortunately it's intended to help donors decide where to put their money, so it doesn't provide comparison metrics for big government planting projects like China's, so it doesn't do a lot to put that work into context. It does show, however, that when evaluated along multiple success metrics, there's real variation in the quality of reforestion program.

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I think the interesting question is where the other 3/4 of new forests are, and what kinds of policies have produced them. In most cases, the recommended way of increasing forest area is by leaving things alone and letting ecosystems recover naturally. That is happening in some places. Other places are working on intentionally replanting diverse native species on degraded land (e.g. the Green Wall project in Africa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Green_Wall_(Africa)).

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