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@redjives "the big kill" crowd vs. the incremental change crowd. I just read the former phrase in this type of discussion (economics really, but applies) in The Ethos Effect by L. E. Modesitt Jr.
The big kill crowd needs the numbers to be able to trumpet its superiority. The incremental change crowd just wants to show people a better way without a need for fanfare.
@dynamic I'm thinking more in terms of the users who want their app (e.g., Mastodon) to become the next Twitter, as opposed to federation of apps.
@Old Fucking Punk I'm not sure I've come across that with regard to Mastodon... there is some pretty strong ActivityPub evangelism, but I feel like no one is particularly concerned about Mastodon vs. other fedi platforms.
I'm also not clear on the connection to J---dV's original post, which I think was about whether or not Mastodon can realistically "complete" with Bluesky by fixing internal problems?
I'm also not clear on the connection to J---dV's original post, which I think was about whether or not Mastodon can realistically "complete" with Bluesky by fixing internal problems?
@dynamic The parenthetical part of the post is that to which I was responding. Of course the "people won't move to Mastodon until..." posts have always seemed to me to imply "all the people".
@Old Fucking Punk
I guess what I would want is for "all the people" to be off of corporate-run data-harvesting platforms. And Mastodon offers one of the more viable alternatives. I'm not enamored with trying to build a collaborative ecosystem with Threads.net and Bluesky because I think it's just a matter of time before they turn the relationship from collaborative into exploitative, or just cut us off entirely.
To me this is different from "everyone must use the one true platform that I have selected."
I guess what I would want is for "all the people" to be off of corporate-run data-harvesting platforms. And Mastodon offers one of the more viable alternatives. I'm not enamored with trying to build a collaborative ecosystem with Threads.net and Bluesky because I think it's just a matter of time before they turn the relationship from collaborative into exploitative, or just cut us off entirely.
To me this is different from "everyone must use the one true platform that I have selected."
Not sure I've seen this terminology. Is the idea of "the big kill" that there's a group of Fedi evangelists who think we're going to be able to take out corporate social media all in one fell swoop? That sounds like it would be magical thinking to me, but then I also think the idea that federating with corporate social media would have a larger role in luring people off of it than in making people on here dependent on it is magical thinking, so...