I'm not that enthusiastic about Google, Apple and Microsoft doing away with as an factor, because it's one of the few areas left on these platforms where people have some control over their own . puri.sm/posts/microsoft-ruined

@kyle I hear you.

But passwords are well past their sell-by date, and their initial use-case assumptions.

Even Fernando Corbato thought so before he died.

businessinsider.com/inventor-o

@dredmorbius As I elaborate on in the article, I think the main reason passwords failed is due to bad password policies (which I blame Microsoft for in large part!) that didn't take the user into account. I'm not convinced that unrevokable biometrics that unlock a "something you have" in your phone are necessarily *better* than a good password. Which factors are appropriate comes down to particular threat models and I don't think doing away with one of the three auth factors entirely is wise.

@kyle TL;DR: I disagree, passwords failed for intrinsic reasons, not any specific party's (or parties') implementations

Passwords were developed for a vastly simpler world. I think we really need to go back to first principles, and determine:

What we expect passwords to provide.
What the risks are.
What the alternatives are.
What the landscape / terrain / participants are, and what affordances these provide.

In particular, Fernado Corbato was solving a problem for a very limited-access facility with limited connectivity. The solution he devised for the 30 or 300 people inside that phsyical space wasn't appropriae for the 3 billiion outside (this was 1960), but those 3 billion had very little opportunity for access.

Today, 5--10 billion people have immediate access to many online systems. If we consider nonhumans potentially accessing systems, that count likely increases by a few more orders of magnitude. Passwords somewhat work within a spatially-constrained space, not in a global one. Global data systems have a fundamentally different data / security "physics".

Corbato came to think passwords were a nightmare, and that they were designed "to protect against casual snooping":

welivesecurity.com/2014/05/23/

I share your concerns for hegemonic appropriation of identity. But in a #HierarchyOfFailureInProblemResolution, I think the assessment that passwords are themselves a problem is correct.

old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/c

What's the problem?
What's the root cause?
What's the goal?
How do we get there from here?
Who needs to help, or get out of the way?

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