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Just installed @delta and was under the impression that it was email based. I expected to have to put in some email credentials and use my local email server. But instead it created a disconnected profile and just uses IMAP as a transport?

delta.chat/en/help does not make clear how this actually works.

Decentralised is a great buzz word, but without better description of how it works makes it difficult to trust.

delta.chat/en/help#security-au doesn't mention architecture, just encryption.

@keverets@social.librem.one When i started checking it out awhile ago, it was not difficult to use your own mail servers if you wanted to. Since then, they've made that path extremely cumbersome as they want everyone using chatmail servers now. At which point, half of it's selling point, to me, was gone.

Going back to XMPP.

@keverets Tap Create new profile -> Use other server -> Use classic email as relay, there you can enter email credentials of your own server.

@delta @keverets
Mmmh I think the question would be: will there be more chatmail relays to choose from / will it be possibile to host one's own in the future?

@tizianomattei @keverets
There are already more relays,
chatmail.at/relays lists some of them. This page is reachable through the "Use other server" option during profile creation. At the end of the page there is a link to chatmail.at/doc/relay/ with the documentation on setting up your own relay. You can also use any IMAP+SMTP server, especially if you already have one, but be aware of rate limits and spam filters, and you likely don't want to reuse your existing mailbox for chatting.

@tizianomattei @delta @keverets running your own relay is pretty easy -- I currently run two.

I have a list of over 100 relays, there are quite a few out there just not publicly advertised :)

@keverets @delta sssshhh. I've got blocked because I just said the same... the guy is apparently too dumb to get the point.

@keverets @delta

deltachat is using standard imap and smtp. You may use your own address or use an automatically generated one. It doesn't matter. Your identity isn't your address, it's the pgp key that was created when you created the account.

The issue is that you come in with the expectation that deltachat is an email client like all the email clients you know: it is not. You are mapping your knowledge on top of dc instead of looking at it the way it is: a messenging application that uses email protocols. The faq is covering this view

@rakoo you misunderstand my point. I'm not expecting an email client, but I am expecting distributed or self-hosted decentralization which the FAQ does not cover sufficiently.

@keverets you're right, it's probably harder than it should be: the relevant section is https://delta.chat/en/help#i-want-to-manage-my-own-server-for-delta-chat-what-do-you-recommend which points to the chatmail page
@keverets so yes, it is email underneath. A random account was created for you. If you try to login to a Chatmail relay server with a random username and password it automatically registers an account for you if nobody else owns that account name. This is safe to do because the Chatmail relays do not allow sending or receiving messages that are not PGP encrypted, so it cannot be abused for spam.
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