@WinstonSmith@techhub.social @neil @ThatPrivacyGuy I continue this thread with one more question. What is your, any of you, view on Vivaldi? I am aware that part of their code is proprietary. Does that in your view disqualify Vivaldi from privacy and/or security point of view? Or do you see concern of other reason? Or do you consider Vivaldi a relevant sw to use?
@ThatPrivacyGuy @hehemrin @WinstonSmith @neil I'd say Messengers see evem more sensitive data, and the operating system sees ALL of its users data. But behind those two, yeah, browsers are probably next.
@ThatPrivacyGuy @hehemrin @neil I think what one writes to family and friends is more sensitive than how much is earned or which movies are watched.
Not arguing in favor of vivaldi here, I think a browser does indeed need to be foss, and so do operating system and messengers.
@n0r @hehemrin @neil I dont use messengers to write to family and I don't disclose anything sensitive when I talk to friends/colleagues on messenger.
From a #SurveillanceCapitalism perspective my browser is far more of a concern than any other application as I use it for almost everything (I generally refuse to use "apps" as I have less control over the data they collect).
@ThatPrivacyGuy @hehemrin @neil Ok, unusual usecase in then, most people do use messengers for sensitive things. I just want to say "apply the needs-to-be-foss mentality to everything that handles sensitive things". That includes various apps for some people, messengers for most people, but turns out not you, browsers for probably all people, with rare exeptions, and the OS for everyone who owns digital devices and isn't 100% offline.
@n0r @ThatPrivacyGuy @neil I agree to "strategy" and be aware and not use messenger (you mean Fascebook messenger) and alike to critical data. I avoid it in general, but I use it for some personal and private. A lot is to me a combo of safe products and pragmatism where I have the possibility communicate with other. Re only use FOSS, one issue (Sweden) is BankID (+competitor), for all contacts to banks, authorities and more, I must use a device w Andriod, Windows, iOS or macOS for login itself.
@hehemrin @ThatPrivacyGuy @neil There are plenty of FOSS messengers, with end-to-end-encryption and without privacy threatening data collection. I don't mind having private conversations with friends and family using those.
@n0r @ThatPrivacyGuy @neil But do you mean it exist any FOSS messenger that I can use in my end and the other person use the Fb Messenger, and the conversation becomes E2E encrypted??? When the terms for the conversation is that I have to meet the person(s) where they are, or not communicate (digital) at all.
@hehemrin @WinstonSmith @neil I’ve never used it but not being FOSS would be a concern for me. If we go back to the days of Opera Mobile which at one point had collected more behavioral data than even Google had we can see the risks (this data was a large part of the value Opera marketed when trying to get acquired).
Browsers see our most sensitive of data - in my mind that means they must be open source to be trusted.
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