**e. hashman** @ehashman@toot.cat · Sep 15, 2019, 15:04

**e. hashman** @ehashman@toot.cat · Sep 15, 2019, 15:04

e. hashman @ehashman@toot.cat

Sep 15, 2019, 15:04

@ptvirgo @deejoe @gid I strongly agree with Matthew Garrett in that I don't want to see RMS replaced; we need to remove the necessity of having a single figurehead leader in the free software community: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/52587.html

**Marcin Cieślak** @saper@mastodon.social · Sep 15, 2019, 22:25

**Marcin Cieślak** @saper@mastodon.social · Sep 15, 2019, 22:25

Sep 15, 2019, 22:25

Marcin Cieślak @saper@mastodon.social

@ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid I think the problem here is not "RMS should be replaced" but that somebody should just do it.

Last time I heard RMS talking he seemed to be kind of angry and tired and he explicitly asked others to carry this thing on instead of him.

I don't think he insists to be the only one, he just happens to be a prominent figure of the free software movement

**alcinnz** @alcinnz@floss.social · Sep 16, 2019, 19:42

**alcinnz** @alcinnz@floss.social · Sep 16, 2019, 19:42

Sep 16, 2019, 19:42

alcinnz @alcinnz@floss.social

@saper @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid I've heard him call for others to spread the message years ago in some of his talks.

It seems people don't feel the need to while he's still up there. But more people would cover more ground.

**Marcin Cieślak** @saper@mastodon.social · Sep 17, 2019, 19:18

**Marcin Cieślak** @saper@mastodon.social · Sep 17, 2019, 19:18

Sep 17, 2019, 19:18

Marcin Cieślak @saper@mastodon.social

@alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid I think the problem is something else: with all shortcomings RMS lives the way he preaches. I will be much less convinced by somebody giving their Free Software, Free Society presentation with slides coming out of their MacBook. I feel guilty typing this on an iPad myself.

**Dave Lane 🇳🇿** @lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz · Sep 17, 2019, 19:31

**Dave Lane 🇳🇿** @lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz · Sep 17, 2019, 19:31

Sep 17, 2019, 19:31

Dave Lane 🇳🇿 @lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz

@saper @alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid yup, for all his faults, he lived his principles. That's why he's been the leader for so long. Others would likely dilute that. But I hope a worthy new leader will come forward. (Microsoft certainly doesn't want that, though!)

**alcinnz** @alcinnz@floss.social · Sep 17, 2019, 19:37

**alcinnz** @alcinnz@floss.social · Sep 17, 2019, 19:37

Sep 17, 2019, 19:37

alcinnz @alcinnz@floss.social

@lightweight @saper @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid All I can say is that if I'm ever given the chance to give a presentation, you won't have that issue with me.

I love elementary OS! And I'm hoping to replace my iPhone with a Librem 5 soon.

**Marcin Cieślak** @saper@mastodon.social · Sep 17, 2019, 20:22

**Marcin Cieślak** @saper@mastodon.social · Sep 17, 2019, 20:22

Sep 17, 2019, 20:22

Marcin Cieślak @saper@mastodon.social

@alcinnz @lightweight @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid many of us try to switch... and we either don't have a platform to switch to or we can't give up using the gadget. I don't think Librem will have a free software radio interface (baseband). RMS simply refuses to use a mobile phone. "Easy".

**DanielTux** @danielst@librem.one · 2019-09-17T21:31:19Z

DanielTux @danielst@librem.one

@saper @alcinnz @lightweight @ehashman @ptvirgo@mastodon.technology @deejoe @gid@cybre.space
The baseband is not free, but that's not RMS problem. It will still be RYF. He doesn't want to use it bc of position tracking when baseband is on, which is not a software problem. Src: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/17/richard_stallman_final_interview/
But Purism envisions being able to e.g. use WiFi+VPN+Matrix, replacing classic calls completely.

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**Marcin Cieślak** @saper@mastodon.social · Sep 17, 2019, 21:33

**Marcin Cieślak** @saper@mastodon.social · Sep 17, 2019, 21:33

Sep 17, 2019, 21:33

Marcin Cieślak @saper@mastodon.social

@danielst @alcinnz @lightweight @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid The problem is getting IP connectivity when being mobile in a non-privacy infringing way... (when WiFi is not available). Most people expect their phone to work when not connected to wifi :( This won't be solved even by the open baseband, so I think we can't get better than this.

**DanielTux** @danielst@librem.one · Sep 17, 2019, 21:55

**DanielTux** @danielst@librem.one · Sep 17, 2019, 21:55

Sep 17, 2019, 21:55

DanielTux @danielst@librem.one

@saper @alcinnz @lightweight @ehashman @ptvirgo@mastodon.technology @deejoe @gid@cybre.space
Indeed. Pragmatically, I'd consider the baseband a part of the untrusted network, so how free its sw is, is mostly philosophical. Due to regulations it seems impossible to have it really free.

Agreed, you'll not always find "privacy wifi". But even if you need to register, it's likely less centralized than now (also: multiple accounts, change MAC?). Besides, if there are a few (home, work, friends, bars) that's already a good start.