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I had to smile about the creative work on that toolkit.

On the other hand it throws up the question how to de-escalate this emerging cyber-conflict?

The logical next step for celebrite would be to announce or leak information about a vulnerability in , seed uncertainty to signal users, try to erode their trust in the software, not make the details public, but announce to exploit it in unpredictable cases.

signal.org/blog/cellebrite-vul

@chrichri they already tried to do that with their previous blogpost, that's why Moxie is counter-attacking

@chrichri I just hope that they were very careful when executing those apps because it could have been an honey pot

@chrichri
They already did that when they stated to be able to read Signal content (not taking too much care to add "from an unlocked phone as anyone else could too").
That post from Signal is their "retaliation"
#signal #cellebrite

@tdk

"retaliation" leads probably to escalation.

I criticize the escalation of this conflict.

definition of "retaliation":

"the act of hurting someone or doing something harmful to someone because they have done or said something harmful to you"

dictionary.cambridge.org/dicti

In my opinion this doesn't read positive, but still describes what's happening...

@chrichri
Well, Yoda 😉 in my book thats simply self defence. They do not attack them activly, but the show them in no uncertain terms that there might be "disadvantages" in violating other peoples privacy.
And I really hope that Apple does not find it funny that they illegaly use and redistribute their software.
#signal #cellebrite

@tdk

I tend to follow your first interpretation towards "retaliation", but admit, that what's happened could also partly be interpreted as "self defence".

But anyway, it hasn't been de-escalating and thereby doesn't change my question about the probability and - if needed avoidance - of escalation.

copyright: I'd say we'd need an open source version of that apple lib to be usable by anybody (if I had any interest in apple products).

But...

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@tdk

...the point that went by unchecked is whether ffmpeg is compiled complying to LGPL or whether cellebrite is violating the GPL.

Or in general whether GPL software is used by cellebrites products and if there software is GPL compliant.

The authors of by cellebrite used GPL software could be supported in making their cases to have cellebrite publish there source code or stop using GPL code.

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