The fact that the general consensus on #GNOME among Linux users seems to be hatred or distrust based on blind misinformation is unsettling. We really can’t just dismiss everyone as “trolls”. We absolutely need better public relations and coordination with the Foundation, because right now, we are letting bad faith actors dictate the direction of all discussions of the project.

@kramo I don't hate GNOME. I dislike it because it doesn't match any standards. It doesn't supply its own window decorations, Adwaita has missing icons that are present in most other icon packs, etc.
It's also ultra uncustomizable unless you install extensions which can break each other, and the vanilla UI looks like it's made for touchscreens in mind (which is fine but not my cup of tea).
Also, there's so many "flavors" of it that look almost completely different that some distros use that I don't even know which to pick or whether to just pick vanilla

From what I've heard it's great for developers but terrible for users

If any of the above is disinformation that was given to me then I'm willing to try GNOME once I finally get my Linux set up

@Sparkwave @kramo
> It doesn't supply its own window decorations, Adwaita has missing icons that are present in most other icon packs, etc.

These are not standards.

> It's also ultra uncustomizable

That is by design. GNOME's philosophy is to provide a good user experience without manual tinkering being required.

> the vanilla UI looks like it's made for touchscreens in mind

Because it is, GNOME is made for desktop and mobile.

@monster @Sparkwave @kramo does there exist one single user for gnome mobile? I never saw it in real live. How can you base your design philosophy on something "nobody" uses? Linux desktop is a niche thing anyway and linux mobile even less.

@generationX @monster @Sparkwave @kramo If you count in phosh (which bases heavily on GNOME) there's literally thousands of users alone from the phones shipped by Purism, add to that the Mobian and Droidian users, those of FLX1 and GNOME based pmOS variants you get a substantial number. I assume it's only a fraction of desktop GNOME users but they sure exist.

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