@moonman if they are refusing eviction from the landlord why would they suddenly accept it from the bank, the scenario doesnt make sense.

@a7 I think the unstated assumption is that the landlord can take the hit.

@moonman I dont think that’s really why people are doing it. Would be nice if people realized the situation from the top and offered property tax breaks to rental owners as well.

@a7 I don't know if rent strike is a good idea or not, I just know people that own property and they're basically in the same position as the renters, they owe money and abruptly losing income could put them in the poorhouse.
@moonman @a7 Unsolicitied opinion time: Generally, landlords are seen as leeches as their job entails little to no labor outside of calling a repairman when someone complains. It's profit gained by making people pay for a human necessity (shelter) and taking markup off the top. While landlords (and similarly cops) are people trying to live and have chosen those jobs likely to support themselves, the jobs they've chosen are based around oppressing the people in their own class. They are opportunists who have chosen to sell-out their own class. They aren't far from an Uncle Tom. But in this case, they are just known as class traitors.
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> their job entails little to no labor outside of calling a repairman when someone complains.

this just isn't true in many cases. I don't know what the ratio is though.
@moonman @a7 Maybe not, but ultimately those services could be handled by the tenants through a union. While landlords do perform the legal work to keep housing running, their job is seen as a middleman skimming money where they aren't required. That and countless stories and experiences of bad landlords seeing their tenants as customers and trying to max profit where possible.

I say landlords and cops are similar because, while good people may enter those jobs and try to improve the field, the job itself requires dehumanizing people to max profits and efficiency.
@kaikatsu @moonman @a7 yeah. when a good person becomes a cop (or a landlord), one of two things happen: they either get warped by the profession into an evil person, or they can't compete/can't perform, and wind up kicked to the curb

@velartrill @kaikatsu @moonman should they be treated as what they are though or as what they became? The same arguments for how it happen to them, or how they came to be that could be used for innercity kids who become involved in gangs that do nothing but sell crack and kill other poor people. Yet, most people realize that is environment and needs rehabilitation or addressing the environment, they dont go, murder and fuck them all. Well some do but :shrug_akko:

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@a7 In my experience the problem seems to be scale. The good landlords I've had we're people more or less like me renting out their basement or a room for extra money. The bad landlords I've had are people who own multiple properties and apartments and really just want you to pay rent and shut up. @kaikatsu @velartrill @moonman

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@terryenglish @a7 @velartrill @moonman This is precisely my point. To maximize profits or treat landlording as a career, you must dehumanize your tenants. This is what all business does. As you grow, you can no longer treat each client as an individual and instead must treat them as numbers.
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My land "lord" literally said that "renters don't get stability" when asked for a 1yr lease renewal (as opposed to going month-to-month). There's no reason to refuse aside from an abuser mindset, which is exactly what this is — keep the peasants scared and malleable. Fuck land "lords". Anyone who can't stay survive without rent-seeking isn't a lord of anything lol
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