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@roka @jack @p @matrix @sathariel @anornymorse @igeljaeger You have to love the sanctimonious attitude with which this woman just expects Stallman to accept her premise.

@terryenglish @roka @jack @matrix @sathariel @anornymorse @igeljaeger In a criminal trial, the defense attorney and the prosecutor will say things that they know the judge will smack them for and strike from the record. There's a threshold for how often you can pull that before you've pissed the judge off, so both sides will try to dance around the line. Even though they're ordered to disregard the remark or the question, the jury can't un-hear things. They can't un-see the look on the witness's face when they hear the question, or the relief on the same face when the judge says "Sustained".

Maybe she's just an idiot, maybe not, but the effect is the same: she controlled the topic for as long as Stallman humored her, and she spewed several talking points. She injected her dogma in an unexpected place, and it was almost certainly more emotionally charged than the surrounding discussion, which makes it stick in everyone's mind. ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic ) So even though she made an ass of herself, she accomplished her goal.
@p @terryenglish @igeljaeger @jack @matrix @roka @sathariel 1) This is more a civil trial. 2) the jury wasn't in the room. We (and previous viewers) were the jury she was trying to talk to.

He could've shut her down, and won the battle, but completely lost the war.
@anornymorse @jack @matrix @sathariel @roka @terryenglish @igeljaeger Yeah, that's what I'm getting at, more or less: even if he demonstrated incontrovertibly that she was an idiot, that's the part everyone took away. (I'm sure there's something in Alinsky about that tactic but I don't remember how he phrased it.) It's the part we're talking about, not the rest of the talk.
@p Do you find that accepted tactic of law reprehensible, though? There are few things I find more deserving of [REDACTED] than tricking people to accomplish some indirect goal, particularly if you have personal gain, and particularly if you destroy another person or a part of their community in the process.
@jack It's like fights in hockey. It's just how it's played, there's not much you can do to stop it, and it works for both sides, so it's fair. I think once the stakes are high enough, any game is played in a way that seems degenerate to casual players. So I didn't like it the first time I saw it, but what do you do? There's no way to administer perfect justice, so we have this adversarial court system, people are going to try to get around the rules because they want to win. Understandably, it's something where structural changes will always create imbalances, so once you've got something stable, you know the problems and you can tweak the edges, but big stuff will screw it all up.
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