@pixx @ruff it was the librem, l. rossmann called it a scam on youtube, but afaik they just struggled to ship some units for many years for various reasons, while other units were actually shipped, and misbehaved about refunds. that's why there are so many conflicting reports. i know someone who never got a refund and tried to sue them in the US via germany to no avail. and i have played around with an actual librem at fosdem and know people who have one. it's chaotic
@mntmn @pixx yes, there was a period when lunduke was driving marketing/communication and that was a period of a big chaos when people really started losing faith and there was a wave of refunds which purism was forced to manage in a... let say questionable manner (they changed ToC retrospectively or something like that). Even I started losing faith at some point but refund was not an option because there still was no comparable alternative to invest into. But in the end it was a happy end :)
