@Tony
Ah, when it comes to extra weight — that is true. Although, I think men have adopted that vision of body positivity too:
— No one loves me because I'm a fat fuck 😩
— So… stop being a fat fuck? 🤔
— Hurr-durr 🤪
Men are just slower at adopting that shit — I'm pretty sure we'd get to blaming others for everything too.
But I mean in general, men-only groups tend to be not much more healthy than women are.

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@Tony
And I don't think we got here because of some social processes, it's just that people weren't talking much about it before — it was considered shameful universally. Now we got to a stage of talking about some things more openly, but it ended up in pointing fingers at some other group: "Look, they do it too and they are much worse than we are!" (In fact it's in the 5-10% ballpark difference).

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@Tony
I still see it as positive dynamic: people get more comfortable with themselves, now they talk more openly about it, soon they will move on from blaming others to figuring out if it causes problems for them personally and whether they are willing to solve it 🤷‍♀️

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yah, men are just as fat. But we don't have a culture that supports men so it's less socially acceptable for a man to be fat than a woman.

@Tony @m0xee @fcktheworld587 The whole no fat shaming is supported by fast food and sugar industry.

@Tony @m0xee @fcktheworld587 YOU HAVE TO LIVE IT
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@Tony
We used to have a way more twisted culture of "People think you're fat? Just start making more money so they'd love you even despite being fat and ugly!"
Not much healthier if you ask me.
I think I know what you're getting at though. The original thought behind body positivity was: "You might not like the way you look and that is okay, you still deserve for people to like you, and if you want, you can even change the way you look — this isn't the reason to be give up".

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@Tony
At later stages it dropped the latter part of dropping blaming yourself part, encouraging change, and adopting "You don't like the way you look and they don't like it either? Just tell them to go fuck themselves and die!!!" — effectively eliminating the reason to change entirely and just transforming blaming yourself into blaming others…
I don't like this shit either.

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im all for body positive (not hating yourself regardless of how you are) but im staunchly against making excuses when you are clearly overweight and not healthy. It's okay to be fat and be okay with yourself. It's not okay to be fat and pretend you aren't.

@Tony
Well, as it always was — something that started as a tool to loose anxiety that prevents you from not doing the shit you really need to be doing, got picked up by some people as an excuse to… just not do anything and, carrying on with their already unhealthy shit — nothing new here!

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@Tony
But I've seen it work too — both boys and girls, just getting out of their pit and getting back on track.
I've even lost a lot of weight myself, although it took much more than that — making cooking fun and such.
That shit works — I think we just don't see many success stories on the InterWebs, when people move on with their lives. Not many like this, most want drama 🤷

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