Literally nobody actually needs systemd. Well except maybe Lennart and his overlords. If your project relies on it, I am sorry, your project is shit. Yes that makes default Debian shit as well, I am aware of that. It's still better shit than Windoze though. In the end, it's all a question of how much shit is too much shit. But isn't it always?

@phf I'm missing ... arguments. I see a generic that and an ad hominem. That's it.

@bjoernd
"I don't need it" / "I have never asked for it" โ€” that's a pretty solid argument to me. It doesn't not necessarily have to translate into the question: "How can we improve it?",โ€” because I don't want to improve it, I just want to not have it. Can I please?
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@m0xee @phf That's fair. I also don't need some things. But then I don't shout that fact to the public. If I do, I usually have some intention behind it.

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@bjoernd
Oh, come on, it's social media โ€” bringing up some old problem or making an enemy of some group by overly broad categorization is just a great way to start the conversation here ๐Ÿ˜‚
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