ehrm, someone now a good xmpp client cos converse is bad and ain't loading and my phone is out of battery so i can't use conversations and and ehrm

@sun_eater dino is cool on linux but its kinda retarded and fetches THE ENTIRE CHAT HISTORY when you first add your account, and gives notifications for it all, atleast last i used it
gajim is popular, i havent had good luck but thats what everyone seems to use
i use psi+ because of autism its kinda fucky
also converse.js/inverse.chat

@sun_eater like conversejs is the project inverse.chat is the official instance

@maija @sun_eater Converse was such a piece of shit I had to fix a bug just to get it to run at all when I first tried it. It failed outright at startup. At least they accepted my PR to fix it.

@NEETzsche @sun_eater its worked well for me but also id say user experience is far more important than server. a server admin knows what they are doing. the user often does not. and its one of the few good xmpp clients out there. i would apply some custom css personally though, a few quality of life tweaks

@maija @sun_eater Maybe it got better since I used it. I submitted my pull request in September of 2021

@NEETzsche @maija probably, converse always worked fine for me

@sun_eater @maija My little one-liner brought it from not working at all on my XMPP instance to working, but being a clunky piece of shit.

My experience with federated chat services has been rather terrible. They all sucked. The UI/UX just can't compete with commercial, proprietary services like Discord or Telegram and I think it's because the people who built them thought exclusively about abstract back-end ideas and not at all about things like the user experience.

This is not a problem I've seen with other FOSS/federated services, like the one we're on now. It's specifically chat services that suck ass.

@NEETzsche @maija @sun_eater
agreed
as much as I dislike discord its still miles better than anything else
hell even fucking rocketchat is more stable than xmpp most times

@theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe @NEETzsche@iddqd.social @maija@comp.lain.la @sun_eater@goreslut.xyz @dcc@annihilation.social

as much as I dislike discord its still miles better than anything else

Is this fella for real? ​​

@dushman @dcc @sun_eater @NEETzsche @maija
I am for real
again I dont think any normal person can use these chat services without having a stroke
hell even matrix is a smoother experience for most people

let alone that there are zero good desktop clients that work well for xmpp, let alone web ones that are even passable

@theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe @dcc@annihilation.social @sun_eater@goreslut.xyz @NEETzsche@iddqd.social @maija@comp.lain.la
Nah gajim is good. Just werks, never had issues with it. It does not eat half your ram and crash like dino.

@dushman @theorytoe @dcc @NEETzsche @maija i iwsh it let me actually open media without having to download it and open it in my file browser tho
that feels retarded

@sun_eater@goreslut.xyz @theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe @dcc@annihilation.social @NEETzsche@iddqd.social @maija@comp.lain.la
non issue when you make it auto download imo

@dushman so here's how a good user experience goes when it comes to media. You download the app, you type in a username and a password, and because we're talking about a federated service we're also going to take the leap of adding in a domain name for the instance, and then it just works. From there, you don't have to do anything. You don't have to set everything to Auto download. You don't have to fiddle with the settings. You don't have to download f-droid and then download this other thing from f droid. Joining a channel is one click experience. The list goes on.

That's what a good user experience is like and that's what literally none of these federated chat services even attempt to offer. They just don't. I've used these things and getting it to function is always this endeavor where there's at least like three fucking work around you have to do before you can get it to send a picture or whatever

@theorytoe @dcc @sun_eater @maija

@NEETzsche @theorytoe @maija @dushman @sun_eater Yet even a normie can use it, your making up excuses no mater how you frame it.