ehrm, someone now a good xmpp client cos converse is bad and ain't loading and my phone is out of battery so i can't use conversations and and ehrm

@sun_eater dino is cool on linux but its kinda retarded and fetches THE ENTIRE CHAT HISTORY when you first add your account, and gives notifications for it all, atleast last i used it
gajim is popular, i havent had good luck but thats what everyone seems to use
i use psi+ because of autism its kinda fucky
also converse.js/inverse.chat

@sun_eater like conversejs is the project inverse.chat is the official instance

@maija @sun_eater Converse was such a piece of shit I had to fix a bug just to get it to run at all when I first tried it. It failed outright at startup. At least they accepted my PR to fix it.

@NEETzsche @sun_eater its worked well for me but also id say user experience is far more important than server. a server admin knows what they are doing. the user often does not. and its one of the few good xmpp clients out there. i would apply some custom css personally though, a few quality of life tweaks

@maija @sun_eater Maybe it got better since I used it. I submitted my pull request in September of 2021

@NEETzsche @maija probably, converse always worked fine for me

@sun_eater @maija My little one-liner brought it from not working at all on my XMPP instance to working, but being a clunky piece of shit.

My experience with federated chat services has been rather terrible. They all sucked. The UI/UX just can't compete with commercial, proprietary services like Discord or Telegram and I think it's because the people who built them thought exclusively about abstract back-end ideas and not at all about things like the user experience.

This is not a problem I've seen with other FOSS/federated services, like the one we're on now. It's specifically chat services that suck ass.

@NEETzsche @maija @sun_eater
agreed
as much as I dislike discord its still miles better than anything else
hell even fucking rocketchat is more stable than xmpp most times

@theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe @NEETzsche@iddqd.social @maija@comp.lain.la @sun_eater@goreslut.xyz @dcc@annihilation.social

as much as I dislike discord its still miles better than anything else

Is this fella for real? ​​

@dushman @theorytoe @dcc @sun_eater @NEETzsche fosstard tbh
you know i mostly use xmpp dush, they're right, most the clients suck and compatibility is kinda ass. sure its usuable normally but its not intuitive and only like conversations and its forks are actually proper good, which is a mobile only client

@maija@comp.lain.la @theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe @dcc@annihilation.social @sun_eater@goreslut.xyz @NEETzsche@iddqd.social
Gajim on desktop is great

@maija@comp.lain.la @theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe @dcc@annihilation.social @sun_eater@goreslut.xyz @NEETzsche@iddqd.social
OMEMO and all works perfect on gajim. Eats like 200mb RAM so not that heavy too.

@dushman @theorytoe @dcc @sun_eater @NEETzsche > Eats like 200mb RAM so not that heavy too.
bro are you for real right now

@maija @theorytoe @dcc @dushman @sun_eater @NEETzsche dushman be like i cant use systemd it uses 10mb of ram but an xmpp client written in python that uses more RAM than webshit is fine

@meso @theorytoe @dcc @dushman @sun_eater @NEETzsche dushman is extremely biased foss evangelist. he's incapable of seeing shit out the eyes of a normal user and will criticize things he dislikes, but make endless defence for his foss obsession because it technically works at all. never in this proess does it click in his brain a normal user is not gonna give a fuck about whatever niche reasons he has and wont make such defense.
dush needs to learn to be critical on everything and not just make do while considering it good. probably software of his will have bad ui/ux aswell stemming from this

@maija @theorytoe @dcc @dushman @sun_eater @NEETzsche @meso us commies tend to be the hardest strictest FOSS bros ngl

@teratology @maija @NEETzsche @dcc @dushman @sun_eater @theorytoe though on the other end you have the most consumerist, pro-proprietary "commies" in existence. like twitch streamers