A person suffering from mental illness doesn't always recognize their pain as a symptom of illness. Many blame others for not accepting their divergence from normality. It's worse if there is a community of similarly deranged people reinforcing this idea, and doubly so if society pretends to go along.

@thatguyoverthere Well, by your analogy, let's imagine some person doesn't have a hand. Can he be a productive member of society — sure can, there are jobs other than working in the field. Can he live a normal life — with proper infrastructure, sure can and our society is developed enough to provide it.
So this person demanding to be taken like a normal member of society is quite okay — and that is what most of them want (no reason to pretend that he has a hand, it's obvious that he doesn't).

@m0xee this assumes that mental illness is as untreatable as an amputated hand. I'd argue that mental illness is more like malnutrition. Should we encourage people to stay malnourished or help them find a diet that provides them with the resources their body needs for optimal health.
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@thatguyoverthere Some of it might be treatable, some might be like, following your analogy, pancreatic deficiency — digestion of this person might work mostly like the one of a healthy person, but he might supplement it by taking enzymes, this will improve the quality of life immensely — even if he/her has to take those all his life. He can sometimes live without those, but why?
I don't think that, for example taking antidepressants all your life is necessary, for some maybe it is…

@thatguyoverthere , for most — there's likely an underlying problem that is causing it. You can use medication to sort you shit out and be done with it.
Problem is, there is a wide spectrum of such illnesses, some might be treatable. some might be not, some of these people might be easily integrated, for others it will require more effort.

@thatguyoverthere Despite it being actively studied, it's still mostly terra incognita and people often fall for extremes, some might want to MAKE these people behave normal, others might demand taking them as they are — both probably aren't the solution.

@m0xee yeah there is a weird tendency to try and cast every issue to a binary solution. I think binaries do exist in nature but we seem to have a particular nack for falsely identifying them (false positive and negative)
@m0xee the problem with most psychiatric medicine is it's efficacy isn't really backed by science. Antidepressants may cause a person to tumble in the opposite direction. Until we remove the "may cause suicidal ideation" warning label I think we should look for underlying causes that can be treated less invasively.

I think in the us mental health would naturally improve if our food supply wasn't poisonous.
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