@brunomiguel
That's because you're going to install it for him and you will make sure that these things work. If the person new to this does that himself and something doesn't work as expected, chances are high that with "user-oriented" distros they will never figure it out how to fix it themselves. I started using Linux circa Redhat 3 (not RHEL) and things were much more simple at the time. And when something didn't work I was just trying to figure out how it is supposed to.
@DiogoConstantino
@brunomiguel
I have zero understanding how modern Ubuntu works under the hood: okay, I want this command to be run when my computer starts, where do I put it, rc.local as usual or would the be run too early? Naybe I should make that service descriptor file for systemd or maybe I should run it when my user session starts — how do I do that? Then, the upgrades: it used to be GNOME shell, then Unity, then GNOME shell again, how are they different, what should I know?
@DiogoConstantino
@brunomiguel @m0xee, but you're definitely not a "normal" user.
@DiogoConstantino
Sure! And I agree with you, "normal" user shouldn't know about how things work under the hood, but if he wants, he should be able to. Modern Linux systems go so complex that I seriously doubt it's even possible, with Windows it's impossible without that expensive MSDN subscription, so it's still worse, but in current state of things — not much worse. Using Linux system might have other benefits, e.g. for privacy — but is that it?
@brunomiguel
@DiogoConstantino
I mean if you take the ability to understand how things work out of equation, why should "normal" users switch at all? For ideological reasons, because tech-savvy people like us think that free/libre software is cool? But that's unfair to "normal" users — if they are only going to look for fixes online without understanding what they are doing — they are probably just as good as with using Windows 🤷
@brunomiguel
@m0xee @brunomiguel because it's better, cheaper, and gives them control over their tech (they might not want to use that control, but it's important to have it).
I'm not proposing people should look for fixes online, I'm proposing they shouldn't need because the software should do whatever they need and is reliable. Obviously this is not what is going to happen all of the time, and that's where people can ask for help from the community, or pay someone to deal with the issues.
The most important reason is the ideological. I don't think most people care about it at the moment, but it's something we should change over time.
@m0xee @brunomiguel I don't agree.
@m0xee @brunomiguel You don't need to know, most people have no idea how to do the equivalent to that on any operating systems and don't care to know, about component changes (or care about it), they just want to do stuff with the computer.
@brunomiguel It used to be IBus for input, now it's something else, it used to be dconf, then gsettings and it was just a bunch of XML files before that — everything always changes, makes no sense and drives me nuts! I've tried using Ubuntu recently, but ended up scrapping it and installing Void — at least I understand how it works 🤷
But you're still probably right about the idea behind that video: he didn't mean this, it was made precisely to brag about using Arch 😅@DiogoConstantino