@cyberspook
No, we are very much alike. All the same shit 🤣
Perhaps, we only differentiate ourselves to make ourselves feel better (than the rest) 🤷
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@cyberspook
This is also true, but too idealistic. It works only when everyone is conscious as extreme individualist. If someone else is using some tool and you are not, you're at a disadvantage. If a group of people unites and they are ready to use violence, we also have to unite to fight back.
Nation states exist precisely because they work. In some circumstances they are the lesser evil.
But healthy skepticism, if that goal really aligns to your interests, is always good.
@splitshockvirus
This is also true, but too idealistic. It works only when everyone is conscious as extreme individualist.
This wasn’t a prescriptive statement but a propositionary one. I only speak in propositionary statements, not prescriptive ones, because I’m a moral nihilist and a rational egoist, not a moralistic one like, say, Ayn Rand. I simply suggest a mode of behavior that is self-liberatory in nature, assuming that it might be in your self-interest.
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@cyberspook
My reply was more of a joke, you took it too serious, but fine 😅
I agree with a lot of this, but you can't deny that we can have common goals as people who live nearby, members of the same community, people of same interests, members of same sex, etc.
We can unite to pursue common goal.
You're right though, we should avoid others pigeonholing us into some artificial groups and you shouldn't be offended if someone doesn't want to pursue the goal you consider common
@splitshockvirus
I agree with a lot of this, but you can’t deny that we can have common goals as people who live nearby, members of the same community, people of same interests, members of same sex, etc.
These interests are mostly shaped by the society itself and are frequently enforced upon us by our surroundings. For example, gender stratification is mostly a byproduct of traditionalist parenting, obedience to authority is reflective of traditionalist parenting too. It’s no wonder that people often look at their leader as a “second father” of sorts. The collective consciousness colloquially referred to as “society” is full of delusions, repressions and fear.
We can unite to pursue common goal.
I did not deny this. But as I am unique, that “common goal” is unique to me and not defined by such abstractions as nation, species and even class (even though I do recognize the class oppression as against my interests). In that regard one of the most important things to me is freedom of association, not limited by some artificial restrictions that the society puts onto human relations. The main advantage of internationalism is that freedom of association, although internationalism can degenerate into that liberalist humanism that is dominant across the globe.
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No, it’s not about differentiation and elitism, this differentiation is always according to some abstraction that, again, unifies individuals in their “uniqueness.” What people usually take as “uniqueness” is stereotypes about the capitalist class, people view their position as prestige and thus try to mimick their mannerisms. A consequence of a slave mentality. I propose that we all are unique. No exceptions. It’s just that we are indoctrinated by specific abstractions that force us to protect the interests of the collective and devalue our subjective experience as something irrelevant. I am unique. Just like you. And because I am unique I do not care about protecting your interests. And you aren’t obligated to either, if you turn against me that’ll be perfectly understandable. Because you too are unique. And because every person is different than the next, noone owns shit to anyone, we’re just forced to believe that we do. The herd behavior is created from that sense of duty to society, that we are prohibited in challenging the existing order and think that we must obey ideas like authority or religion or nation or humanity.
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