>use signal
and leak your phone number. great security advice right there 
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if someone who i don't want to talk to can message me on a "secure" platform just because they have my phone number from years ago then that doesn't really feel great from a security perspective
@katka @volpeon system designers often don’t understand the difference between safety and security and how they interact
The system is secure because it protects confidentiality within its stated parameters. That absolutely doesn’t guarantee safety. And while I do think Signal does better than a lot of platforms in considering safety issues, they still didn’t design with user safety as a 1st-class goal. As you can see from their “well just get a different number if that’s an issue” response every time this gets brought up
It’s a legitimately hard problem, but it would be a lot better if they acknowledged that instead of “it’s not a problem because it’s not a concern in the security posture we target”
@calcifer That is precisely why Matrix, with all its shortcomings is viable in non-free countries like China and Russia, but Signal, however secure it might be, is just a shiny useless app.
If you can't trust your cell provider, using your phone number as your primary ID means it can always be traced back to real you. Of course you can use phone number registered to some other person and a burner phone, but it also has its cons and it's not for everyone.
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