@jessica @p @m0xee On PC maybe try movim since you seem to be fine with web frontends.

Meanwhile I can't use Matrix without shoving it into a burner system, Element, the only actual client, requires a bunch of crap from the browser.

@lanodan @p @jessica@mk.absturztau.be
>Element, the only actual client
gomuks is a pretty good console client if you need IM only and you are on a platform that has go toolchain (e.g. if you are on PowerPC MUSL system you're out of luck).
It supports E2EE and all that, but of course no voice calls.

@m0xee @lanodan @jessica

> if you are on PowerPC MUSL system you're out of luck

Pretty sure MUSL doesn't matter unless you use cgo.

@p @jessica @m0xee You're too used to Plan9, Go stuff loves linking to the lib C on Unixes.

Mostly because of broken things like nsswitch.conf which should have been protocol-based instead (much easier to debug and works via any reasonable language).

@lanodan @jessica @m0xee

> You're too used to Plan9

Everyone else is too used to drinking the fluoride.

> Go stuff loves linking to the lib C on Unixes

cgo is haram. (This is why I abandoned IPFS's libp2p.)

> Mostly because of broken things like nsswitch.conf

I can't think of a good reason to rely on NSS for anything rather than avoiding it like with all ancient broken cruft.