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If I have to buy a modern car (which means any EV unless conversion of an old one), I want one built with free or libre open source software. How long will I have to wait?

@hehemrin Indefinitely if you want a regular car from one of the big manufacturers. Your only hope might be if someone designs a conversion kit based on commercial industrial motors and controllers that use #foss

@pthane I am afraid you are right. Still hoping it somehow will happen, from market demand, any EU regulation, or.

@hehemrin I'm not an engineer but brushless DC motors are widely used in industry with controllers whose software can be tweaked to suit the application. Not sure if they are open enough to release the source though, or to make it easy to flash new software into them.

@hehemrin I'm sure that if you mean open source in the way Chromebooks/Androids are, then this is already a thing. Too tired to look for links right now but I'm sure there us an automotive linux foundation, and a lot of the control systems, if not infotainment stuff is running on a form linux.

@bluegeeko I think you may think of this open source project I have heard about: automotivelinux.org/ Yes, i's positive, and I haven't looked into its details. But I still have some doubts how far the car owners freedom will become, not at least when it comes to telemetry/surveillance. But worth to have an eye on and learn more about.

@hehemrin yeah, I think that was it - linux everywhere, freedom not so much...

In an industry as heavily regulated as the automotive one is (esp when/if self driving cars become a thing), there will be very little chance of people having control of their vehicles in that way.

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