@Hyper@discuss.smash.today @VentureSmash Personally, I keep Y as jump, so I can press attack and jump at the same time with just my thumb for out of shield / short-hop attacks. I don't know if I do oos / short-hop attacks like that for a strictly practical reason or if it is just leftover habit from when X and Y were my jump buttons. But otherwise, it means I have easy access to the two- jump-button short hop input whenever I want. I think I use ZR more than ZL, unless I'm doing down throw to up air via C-stick?