In all the many years I've run a mail server, I've not had a problem. I send mail, I receive mail. All good.

But it bothers me that this one particular service, of all the many services that I run, is the one most prone to failing because of a decision by one of two companies.

@neil Google, and Microsoft, I presume.

They're a pain in the arse for the PHP project as well, because they're equating our mailing lists with bulk marketing emails.

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@neil @derickr Google and Microsoft are simply bad email providers. Their job is to deliver emails to users, and they fail at that.

The more fundamental problem is that too many users don't seem to understand that it's a choice. If your email provider is bad (and Google and Microsoft are *really* bad) then you should move elsewhere.

About the service that neil said is failing: it's not your service that is failing, it's Google and Microsoft that are failing. People should stop using them.

Users don't have a choice. What? That's the whole point here. Users should have a choice, but Google drops their mails if they don't use Google (or Microsoft). So they have to use Google (or Microsoft). So they have to make other people use it too.

The choice is being able to email people everywhere except gmail, hotmail, and outlook.com, orrr they get to be your email provider. Not much of a choice, really.

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@cy @derickr @eliasr

> The choice is being able to email people everywhere except gmail, hotmail, and outlook.com, orrr they get to be your email provider.

Or to run one's own email server, deliver to everyone, and hope for the best (which has worked for me for many years!).

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It is the fact that they *could* stop it which bothers me; in practice, delivery has been absolutely fine.

Hasn't worked for me. My mother had to get an Outlook.com address, because the water company just sort of "forgot" to send her bills to the email on the server I maintained. Also Amazon. They told her her their emails were bouncing, and I haven't had a bounced email in like 20 years. Made me look completely incompetent. DNS worked, all test emails worked, and not a single packet arrived from them.

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