So does all the Telegram news point to future changes with Signal?

@annika I hope not. My sense is that telegram fucked up by not actually being E2E and yet refusing to work with law enforcement merely on principle. Whereas Signal, iMessage, et al are actually E2E so there's nothing those services can do even if they wanted to. So so long as encryption remains legal, anyone doing true E2E isn't technically refusing to cooperate with cops by not turning over user data (cuz they don't technically have any)

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@annika I also think like @spiralganglion is saying, basically that the laws are mostly making a distinction between the following two things:

- having data technically available but refusing to share it with police (this can be considered illegal)

- having built a technical solution that works in such a way that no data is available, so there is nothing to share. Here the law would have to force rebuilding the solution to include a backdoor, more draconian and not (yet?) how most laws work.

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