I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
@Gina Yes! Still looking forward to the day when I can install a Linux or BSD distro on *any* phone without any hassle
@simonjust @Gina You can't do that with *any* mobile OS, open or not, and you absolutely certainly still won't for a good while. It's not a good goal to target.
You can already use it on specific well-supported devices, or work on supporting other specific devices well. That's how you can make a tangible difference today.
@simonjust @Gina Now make it drop the Halium layer and liberation will be complete:)
@simonjust @Gina Not really? It just tucks it under the carpet to be dealt with by Android.
@simonjust @Gina There are devices out there that are functional without relying on Android. I've been using them as my main phones for the last ~18 years (first Neo Freerunner, then Nokia N900, now Librem 5). Other people are currently using PinePhones, OnePlus 6/6T, Pocophone F1, Pixel 3a and a few others.
Truth be told, for quite a while even with laptops you had to put some effort before going shopping to ensure you'll have a good experience with GNU/Linux.
@dos @simonjust true, but are they as easy to use as regular Android? Are all the apps available? Prob not.
@Gina @simonjust I'd probably have a hard time if I were to switch to Android after all this time, so it's all relative 😉
Services and governments requiring use of Android/iOS applications is a very recent phenomenon and I don't think it's too late to resist that yet.
Yeah, my general rule of thumb regarding laptops is to wait 3-6 months for proper kernel support or maybe even settle with last-gen. My current 2015 MBP is pretty well supported by now, no need to replace it 
I was quite happy with my OnePlus, but seems to be a dead end, sadly. I've seen posts on XDA and on news sites mentioning that newer OnePlus phones have e-fuses* that will prevent up and downgrades and in worst cases brick your device.
If I buy a device I own it, phone vendors do seem to comprehend that - if they put limitations on what I can do with it, it feels like I'm just lending it.
I've been wanting a Pinephone for a while to do some app development, somehow they're always sold out 😂
*) https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Oneplus_phone_update_introduces_hardware_anti-rollback
@dos @Gina I see - like some sort of glue layer..
I like what they're trying to do but they're always going to play catch-up to whatever is happening on the Android platform. We need proper open hardware