@tek The latter I am lacking. I have a degree. And sysadmin experience. Just not security per say. But you can get the cert and you are like an CISSA until you log the years then you can convert it to CISSP afterward. Or that's how I understand it. I have a few other Certs I want to knock out before i tackle the CISSP. My "soon" is more like within the next year. Hah.