Zoe @ekg@librem.one

@didek @neil it's common access.

@puppygirlhornypost2 @WolvericCatkin why are you being oppositional?, we seem to argue from the same perspective.

@WolvericCatkin on phone or pc too. Their exist plenty of so called end-user devices in life critical settings.

@WolvericCatkin yes, that is correct. People's choice of software could kill people.

@WolvericCatkin the same way car manufacturers shouldn't prevent you from repairing, or modifying your car. My comparison is still looking pretty good.

@WolvericCatkin okay, how does Apple being shity change my argument? You as an owner should be responsible for what you install on your computer.

@WolvericCatkin their exist nothing preventing you from installing a mail server on a "end-user device".

Their exist nothing not open about installing a giant pole without a flag on a car as well.

@WolvericCatkin you can say the same thing about most things on a car as well.

Allowing a mail server to spread malicious software isn't a good idea.

@neil when I buy a car I should be able to install any parts I want, my car my risk.

Their exist other people on the road, and on the Internet.

@ariaflame @MelissaBearTrix @jackyan they are fortunately illegal to sell here :)

@MelissaBearTrix @jackyan

The bigger question is final sales price, cars are commodities they will sale at some price.

A change I have seen is tesla branded cars are more visible, indicating that people are valuing them less*. Most people have more cars then protected parking places, forcing them to reserve them for higher valued cars.

*Might also be that they are more notable given the current circumstance.

@dlakelan you are describing what rule of law is meant to protect against.

You seem to suffer from American exceptionalism, what you're describing are solved problem in most High Income countries.

Look to Europe for inspiration, this is a far better manged problem over here.

@dlakelan I haven't met a cop in months, I still follow the law. And no I don't do it from fear, I don't fear cops. I do it because it's very difficult to break the law, and it comes with little benefit to break it.

Laws are standards of conduct, if people chosen to follow them they rule.

@dlakelan

Apply your logic on a parson and you're a monster.

For further reading: https://scottburdick-com.medium.com/the-myth-of-the-benevolent-slave-owner-6cf0a09b3f3a

@dlakelan

Mutual beneficial my ass*, it's wage slavery.

*assuming you are applying this analogy on a person.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery

@dlakelan my perspective is written as well, or better, as I could in the article I linked.

Rule of law has nothing to do with whatever rulers write down their rules or not. It has everything to do with the legal order of the state.

The point is with rule of law, it is the law that rule. Not people.

@dlakelan

You are describing "rule by law". Not rule of law.

"The laws governing society must be
known, with none in society (including law-makers) outside the law or favoured before it.“ - linked article describing rule of law.
https://www.lawsociety.bc.ca/Website/media/Shared/docs/initiatives/Rule/2021-01_RuleofLawvsRulebyLaw.pdf

@dlakelan

You seem to criticise rule by law. I link a less then perfect source*:

https://vannormanlaw.com/rule-law-vs-rule-law/

*they seem to have some questionable views.

@dlakelan fuck ICE.

The rule of law is meant to constrain those that would do harm to others. Most importantly fascists.

Their exist plenty of reason to rebuild democratic institutions in the US to defend against fascism.

And of course, fuck ICE.