@RyanOlah @bigl0af When you really drill down to the bottom regarding Trumpers I think the problem is that they are just as much collectivists as the left is. Conservatives aren't individualists as many like to think. I really think that "left" and "right" are endpoints on the spectrum of collectivist ideologies. This is why its so hard to tell them apart as they fight among each other over subtle differences in policies, and why individualists oppose them both.