Zoe @ekg@librem.one

Every morning I wake up, I chose violence. Then I am surprised when people seek cover.

@anthropy LRGB the R is for racist.

@RamenCatholic you can train dogs to retrieve anything from ducks to medicine. So you might not be able too breed one, but it should be possible to train one. If you are happy with a bit of dog breath on your cupcake.

@PandaCab this is a public forum. Sometimes the at sign is about who I talk about not who I am talking to.

I am clearly stating my view of the conversation as an answer to what I belive was a partisan summary.

If that is harassment I would struggle to function on this forum. Luckily the subject has muted me will not have to deal with my perspective.

And if it is harassment how is what you are doing any different?

@HeavenlyPossum that was always an option. Honestly it's a bit weird you feel the need to tell me/or anyone else, ignoring messages you don't want to deal with is fine.

What's that joke?, "this is not an airport you don't need to announce your departure"

@PandaCab no, I don't. If that is the case I apologies. It just that it seemed directed towards me. And I thought this was an appropriate time to summarise my thoughts on our previous conversation. which might also have been rude, I am bad at judging when it is appropriate to speak out. But it's hard to stay quiet when someone literally call the reason I am alive and well for violent.

Just as with guns, swimming pools and cars. States doesn't kill people, they allow people to kill. That is why I am for regulations on cars and guns.

States shouldn't be built in a way that makes killing easy, quiet the opposite they should be built to make killing impossible.

A driver is a murder, a gunslinger is a murder. A leader shouldn't be.

Swimming pools are more complicated.

@HeavenlyPossum if states are violent people aren't responsible for their actions.
I know a group chat of people that should* serve the rest of their life in prison for their actions, but according to you it was the state that did it.

States are social constructs that exist in part to abolish responsibility for peoples actions, this only work if the state is violent rather than permits violence.

*obviously no one should be in prison, but for the sake of the argument.

@31113 empathy isn't violence. Asking people to mindful of others, one of the most common way to enforce laws, is entirely voluntary. You don't have to listen to the advice.

My mom spoke about how she used this approach with kinder gardeners, literally sitting them down in a cirkel and asking how should we treat each other. Obviously with a lot of guidance.

I need to be far more careful with how I approach people here. I have burnt more bridges then I have built.

I am not good at the social rites expected, in part because of neuro divergence, esl and the lack of cultural awareness.

I am trying, but it's really hard to be careful without being completely isolated. This is one of few forums that I feel somewhat comfortable being.

@31113 what you are describing isn't violence, but institution to manage violence. With the exception of prisons, that are inheritantly violent.

But law enforcement isn't, it can be done voluntarily.

@HeavenlyPossum @mxrn@social.tchncs.de their exist a difference between states cannot exist without violence, and them being the cause of violence. And on some reflections I think you are right.

States are tools for managing violence. if their exist no violence, their exist no need for a state.

@mxrn@social.tchncs.de @HeavenlyPossum well we are both wrong, as I used the wrong words.

I think I going to leave being lecturered on what a state is to my law professor. I am happy to listen to what you belive a state is, as that is interesting. Wikipedia isn't.

@HeavenlyPossum @mxrn@social.tchncs.de I don't disagree with you. I grabbed the wrong word, for which I am happy to apologise.

A state can exist without violence, in principle. The limitation is that it has to call the shot on what violence is legitimate, or legal. The Holocaust was very much legal, which is why the Nazi state was responsible for it.

@31113 the state is in part defined by it's ability to call certain kind of violence legitimate. That doesn't mean it is violent.

An organisation that successfully called all violence illegal, would still be a state.

@HeavenlyPossum @mxrn@social.tchncs.de okay, I forgot a word.

My argument stand. The state is the state because it define legitimately of violence, not because it uses violence.

@HeavenlyPossum The state is a tool to achieve an aim, the Icelandic state is controlled by people. The EU threatens those people to achieve their aims, the Icelandic state is used to achieve that aim.

You might as well ask me me to find an unblooded hammer on a battle field, and on my failure argue that hammers are inherently violent.

@HeavenlyPossum I might say the EU, but remember they're an imperialist project of the us. Many core EU states are occupied by the US, including Germany. The former Warsaw states are scared by the Soviet experiment. And Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy, and others basically had no experience with democracy before they joined. The EU is a project of manged democracy to protect US interests.